Bill Cosby seemed like a clean-cut, nice guy on his “Cosby Show” sit com back in the 1980s. On that show, he was the married guy who was also a father.
Cobsy also used to appear in JELL-O commercials and appeared likable and very friendly.
It’s disconcerting to discover that a guy who seemed so trustworthy and genial is alleged to have drugged and sexually assaulted 50 or more women.
Here are links about Cosby and other celebrities who maybe you considered nice – based on their public work – but in private, they’re actually jerks or perverts:
From Wikipedia: Bill Cosby sexual assault allegations
American entertainer Bill Cosby has been the subject of publicized sexual assault allegations. With the earliest alleged incidents taking place in the mid-1960s, Cosby has been accused by over 60 women of either rape, drug facilitated sexual assault,sexual battery, child sexual abuse, and/or sexual misconduct.
Earlier sexual assault allegations against Cosby became more public after an October 2014 comedy routine by comedian Hannibal Buress alluding to Cosby’s covert sexual misbehavior went viral, and many additional claims were made after that date.
The dates of the alleged incidents span from 1965 to 2008 across 10 U.S. states and one Canadian province.
Prosecutors Say Bill Cosby Used Fame and Fortune to Hide His Crimes
“He [Cosby] is an individual who has used his fame and fortune for decades to conceal his crimes and hide his true nature,” District Attorney Kevin Steele wrote, noting Cosby fought repeated efforts by the Associated Press to unseal documents from the civil case file.
I Re-Watched ‘The Cosby Show’ And It Was Brutal
by Zeba Blay
My decision not to watch the show (which, before the scandal erupted I had marathoned every year), wasn’t wholly moralistic. It didn’t feel “right,” but not just because of the nature of the allegations against the 78-year-old comedian. To be perfectly honest, I was afraid I would no longer be able to enjoy my favorite black sitcom or, worse, I would actually enjoy it and then I’d feel guilty.
By refusing to watch something I had once loved, I was protecting my own nostalgia. Nostalgia is a powerful thing. It shapes identity, distorts memory, and sits precariously at the intersection of the bitter and the sweet. Re-watching “The Cosby Show,” in light of Cosby’s recent arraignment, was the very definition of bittersweet.
There’s so much weight in this show, its legacy, its cultural impact, and the impact it had on me as an individual. For me, like so many other black people who grew up with the show either during its original run or through re-runs, the Huxtables weren’t just a collection of colorful, fictional TV characters. They were something closer to family.
… [I watched repeats of The Cosby Show.] I chuckled at a few jokes, even at the moments I’ve seen hundreds of times.
I got the same warm fuzzies I’ve always felt when I saw the Huxtable family huddled together on the couch of their brownstone living room, or heard the jazzy theme song go over the iconic credits.
But mixed in with all that familiarity was, as expected, a feeling of unease and uncertainty whenever Cliff Huxtable was on screen. His knowing smile, his playful teasing and his witty one-liners all felt disjointed and out of place. Maybe even a little sinister. It was fascinating, because nothing has changed about this show. But everything has changed.
….When reports of Bill Cosby’s alleged history of sexual abuse resurfaced last year, a part of me wanted to hold on to the distinction between Bill Cosby, the accused serial rapist and Cliff Huxtable, America’s Dad.
I think an argument can be made, in some cases, for separating an entertainer’s personal life, however messy it is, from how one feels about their art. But the fact that Cosby used his Cliff Huxtable persona as leverage for allegedly perpetrating and hiding his assaults makes that impossible for me to do.
…Letting go of “The Cosby Show” means letting go of Bill Cosby as we knew him. And that’s scary. It’s a kind of loss of innocence. The innocence lost from the Cosby scandal strangely dovetails with a kind of innocence lost surrounding the idea of the Black American Dream, something we have tightly clung to.
How “The Cosby Show” duped America: The sitcom that enabled our ugliest Reagan-era fantasies
I remembered that moment the other day when I saw the news that Cosby had admitted in a previously sealed deposition to drugging women in order to rape them. In all probability Cosby is a serial sex offender..
… His [Cosby’s] most noteworthy enterprise, “The Cosby Show,” was a shining exemplar of upward mobility, dignity, and a functioning black family. Now Cosby’s legacy has been called into question.
Americans on both sides of the color line are upset by Cosby’s behavior not exclusively because of the horrific nature of his crimes, but also because his failings have robbed many of them of an innocent and positive part of their youth. Being disabused of childhood nostalgia is one of the most painful parts of being (and becoming) an adult.
Bill Cosby Drugged Me. This Is My Story.
Bill Cosby admitted to getting Quaaludes to give to women
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June 2017 update:
Bill Cosby Sexual Assault Trial: Prosecutor Says Actor Exploited ‘His Power and His Fame’
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Bill Cosby, the Downfall of a Pop Culture Icon
To many he was Dr. Cliff Huxtable, America’s dad and neighbor. There was nothing he could do wrong — or at least seemingly so — and so it came as a surprise to many (and probably to him), when in 2014, a comedian cracked, “Yeah, but you rape women, Bill Cosby.” Three years later, he’s standing trial for sexual assault.
…Elsewhere, America is still trying to make sense of the man as American as Jell-O being an alleged sexual predator.
The Cosby Show reruns are cancelled, NBC nixed a new show from the comedian and Netflix scrapped his comedy special after protests popped up outside of his performance venues.
In Dave Chappelle’s recent Netflix standup special, he compared the dichotomy of Cosby’s new reputation to discovering ice cream itself was a rapist.
Cosby back in court for Day Two of indecent assault trial
The mother of one of Bill Cosby’s accusers recalled Tuesday how her daughter called her crying in 1996 to tell her that the famed actor had drugged and assaulted her, then tried to have her fired from the agency that represented him.
Patrice Sewell took the stand to corroborate daughter Kelly Johnson’s allegation that she called her mother after Cosby gave her an incapacitating pill and took advantage of her at his hotel in the Bel-Air neighborhood of Los Angeles.
Sewell also recounted a call in which Johnson told her Cosby was pressuring Tom Illius, his now-deceased agent at William Morris talent agency, to terminate her.
Here is a forum thread with a lot of people chipping in to share stories of celebrities they met in real life who were rude or obnoxious:
Ever met a celebrity that was a total asshole to you?
Some examples from that page:
Post by doubleshiny
John De Lancie (Q in Star Trek) was at a signing event and was sat all alone with no-one at his table for quite some time, so I decided to go over and get his autograph, because I felt a bit sorry for him.
I paid my money and said ‘Hello’ and he gave me the most contemptuous look, signed the photo and then literally turned his back on me.
There was nothing behind him either, so he just turned to the wall and sat there until I went away.
Post by likealltheboysbefore
It killed me, as I was a big fan. Met her at work – she was impolite and really really defensive for no reason (she was being interviewed). At one point, she was asked a really simple question along the lines of ‘do you like to cook?’ or some other benign thing and she was insulted by it and our poor interviewer had to kiss her ass for the rest of the interview. Was not pleasant to be around at all and seemed everything but genuine. So sad.
Actor Jeffrey Jones is busted on child porn charges
Actor Jeffrey Jones is busted on child porn charges. After a year-long investigation, Los Angeles police say they’ve arrested the ”Ferris Bueller” principal for allegedly coaxing a 17-year-old boy to appear in a sex video
Jeffrey Jones was arrested Thursday in Hollywood after a year-long child porn investigation. The 56-year-old character actor, best known for playing the Javert-like high school principal in pursuit of truant Matthew Broderick in ”Ferris Bueller’s Day Off,” was charged with a felony count of using a minor in a sexually oriented film and a misdemeanor count of possession of child pornography, Los Angeles County District Attorney’s spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons told the Los Angeles Times.
…The same probe targeted Jones pal and fellow Tim Burton movie alumnus Paul Reubens, a.k.a. Pee-Wee Herman, the Times reports. (Jones played Winona Ryder’s dad in ”Beetlejuice” and had roles in ”Ed Wood” and ”Sleepy Hollow.”)
A year ago, police armed with a search warrant searched Reubens’ home and carted off boxes of material, including computers and what Reubens’ spokesperson described as a collection of ”vintage erotica.”
The spokesperson said there was no underage porn found at the house, and no charges were filed against Reubens, but days later, police searched Jones’ house, saying they were acting on leads found among Reubens’ stash.
‘Pee-wee’s Playhouse’ star Paul Reubens is arrested for masturbating in an adult theater in 1991
SARASOTA, Fla. — Children’s television star Pee-wee Herman was arrested and charged with exposing himself inside an adult theater, authorities said yesterday.
Reubens, 38, who lives in Studio City, Calif., was charged with exposure of a sexual organ. He was released from county jail Friday night after posting $219 bond. Three others were arrested on similar charges.
The Pee-Wee Herman scandal — The kid-show star’s indecent exposure arrest became the summer’s biggest show-biz story
2nd actor arrested on kid porn charges / L.A. cops seized Pee-wee Herman artworks
The arrest comes a day after actor Jeffrey Jones, whose roles have included the principal in “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off,” was booked on a more serious felony count of using a teenage boy in sexually oriented pictures or films and misdemeanor possession of child pornography.
An LAPD investigation into Reubens and Jones began last year after a 17- year-old boy made a complaint to authorities.
Police said Reubens was booked based on evidence gathered by detectives last November when they served a search warrant at his Hollywood Hills home and seized his large art collection, which includes erotic images. Investigators also seized Reubens’ personal computers.
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We all have this image of the famous people we enjoy, and when that is disrupted, it is disappointing. Hell, even The Bloggess had to accept that maybe Nathan Fillion wasn’t our universal BFF.
Yes, I’m certain there are famous people who are genuinely good, but, ultimately, at a certain level of fame and management involvement, celebrities are pure persona, a conjecture based on meticulous image control and media manipulation.
Said one person on the Bloggess page (link to comment):
The more I read about Nathan [Fillion the actor] the less I like him. I wish I hadn’t ever Googled him. So disappointing.
He missed the point of the twine question … ya think? Sheesh.
All he had to say was, ‘No thank you. I have twine-a-phobia.” It would have taken MUCH less time than his essay on the hassles of fame, and it would have been playful in spirit.
Here’s another comment by someone else named George (link to comment):
comment by George:
Forget Nathan [Fillion, the actor] doing free photos…
I paid for a PhotoOp with him, for my wife. He is pompous and unfriendly. Thinks he is funny but is not.
Joke on us. Nathan was not there. An emotionless, unfriendly, non-speaking robot that looked a lot like Nathan Fillion was there.
Got the photo, with Nathan’s lookalike robot. But the robot never looked at her when she approached for the photo, nor when she left.
The vocal circuitry was apparently damaged too and the Nathan robot never said hi, never aknowledged her thank you, never acknowledged her presence, never indicated any sign that it knew she was there other than posing for the photo.
Everyone out there… skip this robot and use photo editing tools to place yourself in a photo with Nathan Fillion.
If you want to feel like you’re in Nathan Fillion’s presence just stand in front of one of those department store mannequins. Save your money.
He also thought it was funny to blow his nose and put the used kleenex in a woman’s hand and then close her hand around it.
Additional comments by other people on the same Nathan Fillion thread on the Bloggess page:
Comment by Kwinterr, post 219:
Do you suppose he [actor Nathan Fillion] really is such a snobbish wet blanket in real life? How dissapointing. But…it goes to show that just because an actor plays a charming character with a sense of humor…doesn’t mean he is anything like that in real life…it’s just a job to him apparently.
But without the wet blankets in this world…we might not fully appreciate the awesomeness of those that chose to play along. And for that NF…I thank you.
Comment by Lee, #69
Here’s the deal. I’ve met Nathan Fillion numerous times doing the job I do. He’s not the nicest guy. He wants to think he’s the nicest guy, but really, he’s one of those Johnny Depp “I’m just an actor why do you think you have the right to ask me to do anything but act” types.
He completely chooses to ignore the fact that he is a cult favorite and that disappoints me so so very much.
His answer to the fan who asked about the twine was exactly what I expected from him, a pretty much douche response.
Will I continue to watch all things Nathan Fillion, sure will, because he’s good at his job. Will I be a “fan”, not really. Because he annoys the shit out of me with his holier than thou attitude.
By Tara, post 81
I’m very disappointed. I thought he was more fun than that. An actor indeed, to make me project a much more fun and layered personality onto that pretty face. I just don’t think Castle will seem nearly as charming and sexy next season. I’m a little heartbroken, really.
By Claudette Turdici, post 160
You know when you first found out the truth about Santa Claus? That’s how this makes me feel. Completely let down that he [actor Nathan Fillion] is not as cool and easy going as I thought.
By Ciara, post 165
Ugh. Nathan Fillion has ruined Nathan Fillion for me. Who knew he was such a pompous bore? He takes himself way too seriously. It’s going to take the sheen off Castle for me. Maybe that’s silly but that’s how I feel. Castle would totally have held twine for his fans.
By Lori, post 191
I’m sad. I’ve always thought of NF [Nathan Fillion] as a really down-to-earth, funny, irreverent guy with a big sense of humor. I guess he must be REALLY good at his acting job because that’s how he comes across.
Finding out he doesn’t get the joke is disappointing. I bet he wasn’t so humorless after Firefly, before he did anything mainstream that got him some name recognition.
Bet he would have been happy to send a twine pic to a hugely popular and funny blogger who happens to be on the NYT best seller list.
I realize that NF is a busy guy who probably gets tons and tons of requests, but how often does he get a request of this magnitude, involving thousands and thousands of fans, both people who’ve watched him for years and people who only know who he is because of the twine joke???
For me, he’s lost his sparkle.
By Pam, post 384
I have to say, I am a little bummed out. I had thought of NF [Nathan Fillion] as one of those saavy internet fun people, like WilW et al.. and then he had to go and be all weird about it. I read his blurb, he was ok .. but ew, I had that creepy hangover feeling like I had done something wrong. I just don’t like him anymore. Over him. It is the End of Nation Fillion for me.
By Debra L, post 209
I’m kind of disappointed the light-hearted joker he [Nathan Fillion] plays on Castle doesn’t seem to come from him at all. I will still enjoy watch Castle, re-watching him in Firefly and Doctor Horrible’s Sing Along Blog, but he’s off my list of famous folks I’d like to meet.
By Julie, post 211
Ew, Nathan Fillion. I didn’t realize you were such a pompous asshat.
Sigh. I’m a mom. My job is not to watch any more movies or television shows starring pompous asshats.
By Piper, post 439
Most people have spell checker on their computer. It looks like ol’ Nater Tater needs douche checker. A little paper clip in a backwards hat can pop up and tell you all the douchey things you just typed. ”Is that being fair?” Guess what, Nater? Life’s not fair. Most people don’t have to worry about joking around with the gardener because people would start wondering why they were talking to themselves.
I really don’t care whether he wants to ask the Gardner where the twine is or not. Part of your job as a celebrity is protecting your image. He just made a large readership of fans collectively say, “Sigh. What a douche.” I think Nater is the one that really loses out here.
By Tressa, post 442
He’s a douche. One of my BIGGEST pet peeves is when actors take themselves so seriously. I mean really, they call it art and I call it make believe. His character on tv is fun, but now that I know that in real life he has a giant stick stuck up his ass, he’s going to have to become a better actor to keep me interested.
By Cynthia W, post 468
….And as awesome as Adam Baldwin is as Jayne on Firefly, he is a major league tool IRL. He even went off on Wil Wheaton on Twitter for the Jenny Lawson is funnier than the Bible thing – and, apparently, it isn’t the first time that he’s been mean to our beloved Wil.
And, besides that, my sister has met him at conventions and says he really is a jerk.
Which is why I savor people like Wil Wheaton, Jeri Ryan, Matthew Broderick, Simon Pegg, and Brian Boitano all the more – they get that life is better when you join in the silliness. I loved Brian Boitano as a skater, but fell in love with him as a person when he was all into the South Park “What would Brian Boitano do?” gag.
I find a poster named “gambrinus,” who left a very long comment at 482 defending Fillion, to sound a little on the pompous side himself.
By Mrs J., post 485
There have been lots of comments with all sorts of opinions. I second those acknowledging that both Ms Lawson and N F have responded in a polite and respectful manner, but I also agree that I think what sticks in most people’s craws is the tone and the lateness of N F’s response.
It is always wise to check and recheck any written response for “tone”. And given that this was a request tied to a charity donation it may have been wise to decline it sooner so that all parties knew where they stood.
By Leila, post 498
I have to say, I didn’t even know who Nathan Fillion WAS until you introduced him to your legion of fans, so, not saying that he OWES you one or anything, but I don’t think a picture of him with a fucking ball of twine all of a sudden disrespects his acting career and by the way, WHAT HAS HE DONE AGAIN? His response is gracious and yet there’s just a tone of…I don’t know…pomposity?
I don’t know how to classify it.
All I know is, I didn’t even know him so he was sort of a zero in my book and with this whole attitude he’s now gone into negative numbers.
Take your CRAFT seriously, I get that. But you don’t need to take YOURSELF so seriously.
Shit, let’s be real about this: you basically go around pretending to be other people for a living. It’s the same shit 5-year olds do in the backyard when they’re being galactic star rangers or kick-ass princesses, except you get PAID for this shit. Gimme a break.
By Heather Head, post 501
I used to like Nathan Fillion because he’s cute as all get-out in Firefly, which is only the best television series ever ever made. Now I’m deeply ambivalent. Really, dude? I must respectfully disagree with those who term his response “classy.”
Here’s what would have been classy: “Thank you all for your interest and following. Respectfully, I decline the request for a photo with twine, though I’m flattered that you asked. I would also appreciate if your fans will stop making the request, as it is becoming a distraction to my career. Thank you.”
We really didn’t need to hear how terribly unfair it is that poor Nathan Fillion gets asked to do things that his lucky, lucky gardener does not.
By Shell, post 508
At first I thought he had a good point, but then I realized his gardner, or the guy at the car wash don’t depend on having fans. Actors have fans and need them or they may not continue to get acting jobs. Fans sometimes make requests, and really gracious actors fulfill some requests out of kindness and also appreciation for their fans. Too bad Nathan doesn’t understand this. I used to be a fan of his, but not so much now!
By quistyone, post 509
Nathan Fillion is a douche. To be honest, I had never even HEARD of him until reading your hilarious blog. I have no idea who he is other than some obscure actor who is apparently not a good sport. You know who else I didn’t really know much about but now adore? Wil Wheaton. I mean sure, I love Stand by Me as much as the next girl, but after that, Wil who? I will now go out of my way to support him and his acting endeavors. Live long, Wil. The world needs more non-douchey people like you.
By Kat, post 536
Jenny, your response is respectful and well said. You’re amazing. Thank you.
I completely understand Nathan Fillion’s comments regarding actors. I’ve lived most of my life in LA, and have seen many actors in day-to-day situations. I learned not to bug them publicly from Chevy Chase who completely ignored me as he stared at me in an empty parking garage then looked away stone-faced, my twelve-year-old self smiling and waving to him. My step-dad who was with me at the time said some actors like to be left alone. So, I know not to bother actors.
But Nathan Fillion tries to come off as a nice and fun guy in the public eye. From his response, he clearly is not. It seems duplicitous to me, and every time I see him do something nice and/or fun, a little voice in the back of my head is going to ask, “does he mean it, or is he just acting?” That part of me is very sad.
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